tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post6684056052146491092..comments2024-03-27T21:45:20.111-06:00Comments on She Who Seeks: Jesus CHRISTA!Debra She Who Seekshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01845703092794695023noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-30578957080116468272021-05-21T02:41:59.091-06:002021-05-21T02:41:59.091-06:00I see Creator far far above from man made religion...I see Creator far far above from man made religions .<br />To me he has capacity and power to surround all his creations from within and around. <br />I am part of his numerous divine being and my longing and intention forms me what I become bailihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06498012175058870980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-60527240579166300442021-05-20T09:47:56.090-06:002021-05-20T09:47:56.090-06:00Likewise, I too left behind the "boys only&qu...Likewise, I too left behind the "boys only" club of many beliefs. The Pagan traditions work into my beliefs these days better than the others ever did.pam nashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07527172289267589196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-15278575289654628472021-05-20T09:43:01.600-06:002021-05-20T09:43:01.600-06:00These sculptures are amazing. If only we lived in ...These sculptures are amazing. If only we lived in a world where people simply respected each others beliefs and appreciated art a subjective matter, there would be much peace. If Jesus was interpreted as female, we would also live on a much kinder planet.Miss Val's Creationshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11200441034267532187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-19752872216391035192021-05-20T05:40:40.764-06:002021-05-20T05:40:40.764-06:00Hmm, tricky one. I suppose I don't have a prob...Hmm, tricky one. I suppose I don't have a problem with God being male because I don't think it matters. Equally when the bible uses he or brother, I don't care. I know I am included and that the scriptures were written by men in times when women were second class or lower. As you began by saying, it doesn't matter because we are one in Christ, who made no secret of the value he put on women.<br />That said, I struggle to call God father because of my own experience so i guess a woman with bad experiences of male treatment would find it easier to respond to a female.<br />But the big message, Jesus' most important message, was about love. The overwhelming, unconditional love to be found in the godhead. The love for each of us that is perhaps best demonstrated by the prodigal's father. <br />Rambling a bit now and not really answering your arguments.Liz Hindshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04646532093872561703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-3457452305257442202021-05-19T18:17:04.576-06:002021-05-19T18:17:04.576-06:00It only makes sense that a creator of the universe...It only makes sense that a creator of the universe would be a woman. Men don't pop out babies. I fear discrimination against women will never end as long as women suffer from self-hatred, a lot of which is related to Christianity. In The Handmaid's Tale, the narrator wonders if the wives of the commanders are happy since they've gotten what they wished.<br /><br />Love,<br />JanieJanie Junebughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10573607241326291404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-16406896588372290882021-05-19T17:48:39.513-06:002021-05-19T17:48:39.513-06:00He WAS a very beautiful man that Jesus. And he cou...He WAS a very beautiful man that Jesus. And he could have fooled alot of people with those piercing blue eyes and the rob which covers everything but a D cup.<br /><br />Jesus would be a firm B<br /><br />But that ass...biblical.<br />Cal's Canadian Cave of Coolnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08408150910056369989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-29175076524951582802021-05-19T16:53:17.345-06:002021-05-19T16:53:17.345-06:00Brilliant post Debra! I agree with everything you ...Brilliant post Debra! I agree with everything you have said! Big Hugs! Magic Love Crowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14133368208464734546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-13287727131018979772021-05-19T07:48:36.087-06:002021-05-19T07:48:36.087-06:00Debra, I had never seen Edwina's "Christa...Debra, I had never seen Edwina's "Christa", so thanks so much for sharing it with us. I agree with every single thing you've said in this post. The gender and race disparities (not to mention the blatant self-blindness) are some of the things that have always made certain monotheist religions suspect in my eyes. I know one shouldn't judge--but what can I say? I'm human--I just can't understand how any person can follow any group that sees them as less. To each their own, I guess. <br /><br />Looking forward to "Gay Jesus!"Magaly Guerrerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18295455026184103230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-6619407090621259482021-05-19T05:56:33.690-06:002021-05-19T05:56:33.690-06:00I've been Pagan for ages, so it's more of ...I've been Pagan for ages, so it's more of an interesting mental exercise for me than a vital theological concern. I'm not going to quibble either way with how someone chooses to see Big J, so long as there is room in their theology for Wil Wheaton's Law, "Don't be a dick."Rommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18343895193475984183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-31113438766701693802021-05-19T02:22:16.494-06:002021-05-19T02:22:16.494-06:00Jesus may or may not have existed, but, unlike, sa...Jesus may or may not have existed, but, unlike, say, Noah, or, for that matter, King Arthur, his story doesn't take place in a never-never time period but one that's fairly well-documented. King Herod, Pontius Pilate, and Caiaphas (the High Priest who condemned JC to death) were real people because their names are mentioned in contemporary accounts unrelated to Christianity. Of course, their existence hardly proves Jesus' existence, anymore than Richard the Lionhearted and his brother John proves there was a Robin Hood. But even if Jesus is a made-up character, it's seems reasonable to think that the person who made "him" up wanted everyone to THINK "he" was a male, since it was, after all, a patriarchal society. Quite frankly, the story can't be told the way its told in the New Testament if there's any ambiguity about Jesus' gender, because one of the charges against Jesus at "her" trial would have been that a woman's place is in the home and not out evangelizing. In fact, the crucifixion may have occurred three years earlier than it did if it was known a woman was walking around the countryside contradicting temple dogma.<br /><br />None of this means a woman, or women, couldn't have played a part behind the scenes. I don't mean behind the scenes of a historical Jesus, but a FICTIONAL one. After all, the historicity of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are hardly proven. They very well may have been Mabel, Marsha, Lucy, and Janet. Jesus was put to death because "he" was thought to have been a very subversive character, and part of that subversiveness was treating females as equal. It doesn't seem any more probable that four different male writers living back then would have put feminist concerns into the mouth of a "male" deity than a heterosexual cartoonist would have wanted to intimate that Batman and Robin were gay lovers, though I suppose anything's possible. <br /><br />Of course, the point you're trying to make is that a person would want to identify with the deity they're worshiping. So would I, but the reason I can't worship ANYBODY, male or female, is if I'm making the whole thing up myself, the whole spiritual exercise seems kind of pointless.<br /><br />I guess I'll just stick to the Divine Miss M for the time being.<br /><br /> Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02155991693956178030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-72077968701299184882021-05-18T23:33:58.934-06:002021-05-18T23:33:58.934-06:00For some reason, I am not able to handle this post...For some reason, I am not able to handle this post, friend D. But I wanna send you much love, okay? c.^.^https://www.blogger.com/profile/17422876955246850636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-3915166079112140922021-05-18T22:40:00.114-06:002021-05-18T22:40:00.114-06:00I appreciate this information, Debra. Thank you. I...I appreciate this information, Debra. Thank you. I also appreciate the idea of a female Jesus, Christa. In Judaism, we have a word for the feminine version/side of God, "Shechinah." If there's a nurturing force out this, it's most definitely feminine. Rawknrobyn.blogspot.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15997241410192066577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-32351068353596726612021-05-17T17:58:06.492-06:002021-05-17T17:58:06.492-06:00Just another can to the curb kicker here. Life bec...Just another can to the curb kicker here. Life became far easier, especially the Easter candy bit.Joanne Noragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16601010208310707750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-39473116909092720002021-05-17T17:50:37.221-06:002021-05-17T17:50:37.221-06:00I guess a good deity should be all things to all p...I guess a good deity should be all things to all people, LOL! Tundra Bunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18134746132868641271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-1721602756895853222021-05-17T16:52:17.428-06:002021-05-17T16:52:17.428-06:00I've always thought Jesus was gay since as a y...I've always thought Jesus was gay since as a young girl hearing at school thst the youngest apostle, Jihn, rested his head on Jesus' chest. It sounded lovely, warm and loving and I knew little about orientation at that young point but I liked this idea.Boudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00641013916263271948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-55077570233578990232021-05-17T12:23:42.018-06:002021-05-17T12:23:42.018-06:00The female version sculptures are indeed beautiful...The female version sculptures are indeed beautiful. Honestly, I've never thought about this at all. What does that say about me? That I'm not thinking about male vs female anything. *oh, look a butterfly!* <br /><br />Gay Jesus? Debra, I'm gonna pray for you cause I think you might break the internet. *giggle giggle*Busy Bee Suzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18115487928147732314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-15211276490823155082021-05-17T11:53:47.145-06:002021-05-17T11:53:47.145-06:00Ugh. Religion. Especially Christianity, but real...Ugh. Religion. Especially Christianity, but really all of them. If only the adherents would practice what they preach.<br /><br />The Goddess in her limitless forms is all the deity I need.ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07477806052578880686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-80810362967121206072021-05-17T11:40:20.145-06:002021-05-17T11:40:20.145-06:00Why am I not surprised that you used Robert Powell...Why am I not surprised that you used Robert Powell as Jesus? On a side note, I do think Jesus was the leader of a gay cult.Guillaumehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12376749604845793465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-48828086294372484182021-05-17T11:40:18.344-06:002021-05-17T11:40:18.344-06:00I too didn't think about The Vietnamese girl i...I too didn't think about The Vietnamese girl in the napalm photo. But once you mention it you can't not see it.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00017192454403363349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-81340067780715019252021-05-17T11:34:05.548-06:002021-05-17T11:34:05.548-06:00@ Old Lurker -- There's a lot of wishful think...@ Old Lurker -- There's a lot of wishful thinking when it comes to examining the evidence of Jesus's existence. I don't think the Synoptic Gospels can be accepted as objective evidence because they were all written decades after the fact and were arguably not written by the apostles for which they are named. The Pauline Epistles are all hearsay when it comes to Jesus because Paul never knew him and so cannot personally vouch for his existence. The Josephus and Tacitus passages are likewise hearsay at best and written a century or longer after the events in question. None of this would hold up in court, even on the low civil standard of "proof on the balance of probabilities," much less the higher standard of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt."Debra She Who Seekshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01845703092794695023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-66490404814236148802021-05-17T11:22:34.243-06:002021-05-17T11:22:34.243-06:00I’m with you, Debra! The divine as she is long ove...I’m with you, Debra! The divine as she is long overdue in the modern world.Marie Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03882722634065183364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-22468718322914080142021-05-17T11:18:55.414-06:002021-05-17T11:18:55.414-06:00@ Parnassus (Jim) -- LOL, no! "Potato Jesus&q...@ Parnassus (Jim) -- LOL, no! "Potato Jesus" is perfect as he is! Potatoes need spiritual affirmation too.Debra She Who Seekshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01845703092794695023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-39558700952991669442021-05-17T11:16:45.884-06:002021-05-17T11:16:45.884-06:00@ brewella deville -- Oh, you're right! I miss...@ brewella deville -- Oh, you're right! I missed that visual reference but it just adds to the sculpture's power, doesn't it. The little Vietnamese girl in the napalm photo lives in Canada now as an adult and I saw her interviewed a while back on CBC. She's a lovely person.Debra She Who Seekshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01845703092794695023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-17543896638366746562021-05-17T11:14:35.434-06:002021-05-17T11:14:35.434-06:00From what I have read, there is some evidence that...From what I have read, there is some evidence that there was a historical Jesus. Uncle Wikipedia is worth a read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus . There is not a lot of third party evidence (because -- shock! -- his life was not such a big deal until his followers gained momentum) but it looks as if he did exist. If that is true then I think the chances he was a woman are faint. Old Lurkerhttps://oldlurker974.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4666990364305390259.post-58500950210111848012021-05-17T11:13:42.378-06:002021-05-17T11:13:42.378-06:00Hello Debra, To heck with arguments about religio...Hello Debra, To heck with arguments about religious dogma, I want to see the Faceapp gender swap of the Ecce Homo Jesus painting in Spain, the one ruined by that inept restorer. If you possibly missed it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecce_Homo_(Mart%C3%ADnez_and_Gim%C3%A9nez)<br />--Jim<br />p.s. I wanted to add something serious pertaining to your article, but it kept getting too complicated and argumentative!Parnassushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08958901307538141468noreply@blogger.com